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River Oaks Neighborhood Association Board Meeting
Wednesday November 2, 2011
7:00pm @ Premier Pizza, River Oaks
Present: Jean, Mike, Laura, Laura Rasay (resident), Sheila Ngo
(District 4)
Agenda items:
- Sheila is putting together a meeting with Essex to address
RONA's concerns. Monday, Nov 21st, 7pm, at Novellus' Auditorium. We
will flyer mailboxes to help get the word out.
- Mike met with Tom Armstrong of HMH Engineering regarding 401/405 ROP.
- This is the lot to the west of Parkside. Irvine has bought
the property. This is the location rumored to be "affordable"
units. Tom says it's "not all affordable".
- HMH does design work for Irvine. They're reaching out to
Parkside residents to improve their design. Mike is going to organize a
committee of Parkside residents who live along the border to
discuss with HMH. For more information, contact bertram@ro-na.org.
The board pre-approves use of RONA funds to provide
a meeting space and snacks for about 24 people.
- Current preliminary design: 438 units on the 8.1 acre
site, 4 stories of residential over 2 stories of parking, one of
the parking stories is underground. The streetscape largely
remains the same as it is now,: the large redwoods, current
driveways, and the greenery patch next to Parkside&ROP corner are
all kept.
- They will obey the 45-degree-angle setback requirement
from the NSJ Urban Design guidelines.
- However, in the NSJ policy, there aren't 438 unallocated
housing units. So they have to wait for someone to release
some. (They think the BRE site at the ROP&Zanker corner is
going to release theirs, since they didn't start in time for the
affordable-housing waiver.) If they do get allocation,
construction will start once the Crescent/Sony project is
finished. So they're looking at plans finalized May 2012 and
construction start December 2012.
- Mike has copies of the current preliminary plan. RONA
board looked them over, they look somewhat reasonable at first
glance. It looks like the Urban Design guidelines are
helping. There were some ideas on how to further reduce height on Parkside
border, as well as how to interface to riparian corridor. Mike
mentioned they believe street disruption for construction should be less
than at Crescent site.
- Also some talk about the levee access regarding 401/405 ROP. Sheila mentioned that
the water district is reluctant to modify levees. RONA's opinion
is that if NSJ policy is to have a walkable neighborhood, the
levee trails are a huge part of that. City needs to encourage
access not ignore it. HMH says they need to have emergency vehicle
access along riparian side of property, however they want to make
it walkable and nice.
- Some other news gleaned from talking to Tom:
- The east corner of Cisco Way and ROP has a long-term
commercial lease. They probably won't be selling for a while.
- The deal that Cisco was trying to make to trade residential
zoning along Baypointe Parkway for their commercial zoning along
Cisco Way fell through.
- The city is sitting on $77 million in parks money. It's using
the interest from this money for the General Fund. There should be
plenty of money to build the Essex park!
- Mike also had some updates about Essex:
- New name, "Epic Residential"?
- There is a 2.6 acre park. It's a triangle along the riparian corridor. We asked Sheila to follow up on the parks plan for this, since no-one got back to us after the NSJ Taskforce Meeting in September.
- It will be 3 buildings. The first 2 are in Phase 1 and are
shorter, woodframe; these are the buildings closer to ROP and are
being constructed now. The last one is a steel-frame high-rise
(aka more than 6 stories), and they're putting it in Phase 2
because steel prices are too high right now to build.
- Why can't we work out a park-maintenance deal for Essex like
we did for Irvine? Well apparently the PDO funds their development
paid is not enough to both build the park and maintain it.
- Sheila announces that District 4 is doing a Donation Drive to
collect clothing, household goods, e-waste, etc to assist the
needy. Flyer here.
- Next RONA meeting 12/7 normal time & place.
River Oaks Neighborhood Association Board Meeting
Wednesday October 5, 2011
7:00pm @ Premier Pizza, River Oaks
Present: Jean, Mike, Laura, Tam Truong (resident), Laura Rasay
(resident), Julie Payne (Retail Real Estate Manager, Shea Properties)
Agenda items:
- Mike and Jean attended the NSJ Taskforce meeting Sept 19th. See
Laura's extensive notes
for the details. The most awesome news: the Sony/Irvine 5-acre park
will be completed December 2013!
- PG&E is doing "hydrostatic test T-24" at two locations just
north of
Tasman Drive. This is a test to prove that the natural gas pipeline is
safe. Our supply of gas will be rerouted for the duration of the
test. The testing will start Sept 19th, and service will be restored
to normal Oct 23rd. Here is the letter from PG&E and the map of the sites where the
testing will occur.
- Fairfield has released some conceptual drawings for their
Baypointe projects: first picture, second picture, and third picture.
- The installation of storm sewers along ROP has left some ugly
temporary patches, like this one. This will be fully restored
to the original before construction is finished.
- Contact information for some of the local construction projects:
- Storm/sewers/roads: Tom Armstrong of HMH Corp,
(408)487-2200
- Irvine/Sony construction: Jason Fong, Irvine Co,
(949)720-5564
- Brainstormed with Julie some ideas for improving the Elan retail
center
- Need Essex status update. Mike and Jean to follow up. Especially
park status, construction dates, pictures of proposed buildings, and
traffic mitigation plans. Will also ask Kansen Chu's office to
organize a neighborhood meeting, since it was required but was never
held.
- Councilmember Kansen Chu invites all residents to a Haunted
House in honor of Halloween. Flyer
here.
- Construction noise bothering you before 7am or after 7pm? Call
City of San Jose, Code Enforcement (408) 535-7770.
- Next meeting Nov 2nd.
River Oaks Neighborhood Association Board Meeting
Wednesday September 14, 2011
7:00pm @ Premier Pizza, River Oaks
Present: Jean, Mike
Laura was not at this meeting, minutes are incomplete.
Agenda items:
- Welcome back RONA board! Things have been quiet after Measure A failed.
- Fundings for new parks (eg Crescent Park)
The city will
discuss this in the upcoming taskforce meeting.
- Discuss Mike's questions from 12/2/2010.
- Put out flyers for NSJ Taskforce Meeting September 19.
- Cindy Smith is wanting to get the River Oaks Shuttle (ROP to VTA) going
again. Thinking of getting Essex and @First added to the route.
- Construction issues: dump trucks shouldn't be travelling on ROP.
Streetlights are "falling down." Construction dirt on the roads,
need more streetsweepers. Complaints sent to city and
have been addressed. Will try to get direct contacts for
construction sights to improve complaint response time.
- Next meeting Oct 5th.
River Oaks Neighborhood Association Board Meeting
Monday January 17, 2011
7:00pm @ Premier Pizza, River Oaks
Present: Jean, Mike, Laura, Erik, Erik Schoennauer (developer),
Brad ? (developer)
Agenda item: Meet with developers to hear their side of the story.
- Mike summarized RONA's current position and agenda for the
meeting as: RONA sees a need for NSJ schools now and in the
future. What is your philosophy? What are the developers offering now, and why do you think
that's sufficient?
- Points raised by Mr. Schoennauer:
- If the developments don't get built, neither do the
schools, parks, etc.
- School district is "gambling" with this Mello Roos.
- Developers don't feel like School District is willing or
interested in negotiating.
- Believe a K-8 school is good for their
investment.
- Agree that 900 student K-8 is sufficient for the 5000 units.
- Claim that school district is trying to fix capacity issues
elsewhere in the system by overbuilding in NSJ. "138 students from
overcrowded Don Callejon." Would like the
burden of that overcapacity to be placed on the developers in
city of Santa Clara who are generating it. Claim that recent
developments in Santa Clara are only paying $6000 per unit. Feel
this is unfair. Would like school district to look at other pots
of money for capacity issues.
- Believe an acceptable K-8 school for 900 students
can be built for $40 million. Had some comparison data for
other schools built after 2000 in Northern California. Close
example is the Don Callejon K-8 in Rivermark, 900 students, built
in 2006 on 7.5 acres for $26.4 million.
- They believe they are offering a fair price for a K-8 school
at $8000 per unit for 5000 units (which is total of $40 million).
- They note
it's an accelerated payment schedule compared to the Mello
Roos. Also note that the School District wants to build the school
by 2014.
- Believe the Mello Roos will cause many housing projects to be
cancelled or deferred until better economic times.
- The proposed high school cost of $200 million would make it
one of the most expensive high schools built in the USA. Is this
use of the money appropriate?
- Overbuilding capacity can lead to insolvency and debt in the
school district. Example: Modesto.
- A bit more back-and-forth conversation:
- Q: What is current offer?
Most recent offer from developers is $9000 per unit if SCUSD
takes the offer today and the Mello Roos passes; and $5000 per
unit if SCUSD takes the offer and the Mello Roos fails. If the
SCUSD does not take the offer and the Mello Roos fails, the
developers will only pay $3000 per unit. This
includes slightly more units than the original (units that aren't
approved but are in consideration by developers.) Note that if
developers cut a deal with the SCUSD, they are essentially exempt
from the Mello Roos.
- Q: What is the student generation rate for North Park?
A: When NP was built, the district estimated that the 2700
apartment units would generate 400 kids. Using the generation
rates being applied to NSJ, that estimate would be 200
kids. Actual population attending Orchard Elementary is about 65
kids.
- Q: The city is estimating $55 million to build K-8. Why do they
need an extra $40 million?
A: They haven't done their research on construction costs. They
are overestimating. They are trying to get approval for the worst
case scenario. They have over-estimated student-generation
rates. They want to build a "high-end" school.
- Q: Where did you get your numbers for $40 million estimate?
What do those numbers include? Do they include "soft costs" (eg
desks, whiteboards, computers, etc)?
A: We will get you more detail on the estimates.
- RONA board would like to see more financial details from both
sides. Overall consensus is that developers raised a few good
points and that we need more information to make a decision.
- RONA mentioned that we will be holding a community meeting on
the Mello Roos and offered the developers a chance to present their
arguments to the community fairly.
River Oaks Neighborhood Association Board Meeting
Monday January 10, 2011
7:00pm @ Premier Pizza, River Oaks
Present: Jean, Mike, Laura, Erik, Roger Barnes (SCUSD), Steve
Stavis (SCUSD)
Agenda item: Action plans for the upcoming Mello Roos vote.
- Details about the proposed schools, in no particular order:
- Cisco wants to keep the Alviso property that the city had
originally proposed as a highschool. Instead they are willing to
buy the northernmost 20 acres of Agnews and allow the school
district to purchase the southern 55 acres for an "educational
complex" of a K-8 and a high school.
- Mentioned in passing, the Agnews site would be cheaper to
operate.
- The generation plant on the northern edge of Cisco & Tasman
(the steam-generator) has an underground fuel tank. Laws prevent
the SCUSD from building a school within 1/4 mile of such a
tank. This works out perfectly if Cisco takes the northern 20
acres of Agnews.
- Also, if the state sells the Agnews property, it is required
to clean up any environmental contaminants on the site.
- SCUSC is going to have to demolish the buildings on the Agnews
campus: they are not up to earthquake codes for schools in
California, nor are they
economically or programatically feasable to use for a school (most
of the rooms are too small). The SCUSD is working with the local
historical preservation societies to try to come up with an
architectural and landscape design that evokes some of the same
elements as the original Agnews historical buildings.
- SCUSD is planning an "educational complex" that will include
playgrounds and buildings that can be used by the community when
they are not in use by the school.
- The Agnews Watertower is already a historic landmark and
cannot be torn down. The school district cannot build anything
within a 150-foot radius of the tower. They're planning on
landscaping the area prettily and making it a miniature community
park.
- The high school will likely be of an "urban" design,
i.e. multistoried. The final full build-out (in 10+ years) would be
1600 students. Construction would have to start in 7-8 years.
- The K-8 school would be another 1100 students. Construction
would start in about 3 years.
- There would have to be at least 1 more K-5 school feeding to
cover the final build-out of North San Jose beyond what's being
proposed for the Agnews site.
- Both schools will be closed-campus for lunch.
- Details about the current negotiations with developers:
- Developers are currently trying to claim they are "offering
more". But... more than what, exactly?
- If the SCUSD did nothing, they would recieve $2.97 per square
foot in developer fees; or approximately $3000/unit.
- The school district estimates it will cost at least $50
million to build a single K-8 school, and another $200 million to
build the high school. (Note that these costs are in today's
dollars and today's job market.) That, plus the other required schools, and
paying off $20 million of the Measure H bond, means the actual
cost per unit is something like $18000.
- The original deal between SCUSD, the city of San Jose, and the
developers in the original Phase I approval of North San JOse was:
- Developers agree to provide $6000 per unit
- city pays $75 million (which was worth about $7500 per unit)
- city provides 8 acres for a high school in Alviso
which comes out to about $135 million worth of value. The
SCUSD originally was going to make up the remaining $65 million
with a bond when the population levels required building another
school.
- Then, when the economy crashed: the city backed out of their
end of the deal, and the developers folded.
- A few developers survived the crash, consisting of a proposed
4800 units. Last year they offered a deal of $6000 per
unit. Obviously the cost of building the schools hasn't gone
down... so SCUSD said "no".
- SCUSD ran the numbers again, and cut out the Measure H
repayment, the later K-5 school 20 years down the road, and came
up with a minimum of $11000 per unit for those developers as a
counteroffer. SCUSD says it really can't go lower.
- Developers then upped to $8000 per unit.
- Most recent offer from developers is $9000 per unit if SCUSD
takes the offer today and the Mello Roos passes; and $5000 per
unit if SCUSD takes the offer and the Mello Roos fails.
- SCUSD countered with $11000 per unit if they agree before
January 31, 2011; or $13000 per unit if they agree after January
31 but before the Mello Roos election ends on March 8th.
- Our city council member, Kansen Chu, is siding with the
developers.
- Also note that the recent Governor state budget proposal may
cause the state to confiscate the Redevelopment Agency (RDA)
funds. The Mr. Barnes and Mr. Stavis were not sure how that would
affect the SCUSD tax revenue.
- Roger shared some anecdotes from the Don Callejon elementary school in
Rivermark. The area the school covered was forced to shrink
because it was oversubscribed. The school no longer covers the
Miraval condominium complex. The anecdote:
- $800,000 units have lost $100,000 in value due to this
change
- Rental price for units have dropped $200/month due to this
change
Roger is going to look for more hard data for those in our
community who want information on how a local school will affect
our property values.
- Action Planning:
- Ballots will arrive in the mail for registered voters on February 7th.
- The mail-in ballots are due on March 8th
- The Mello-Roos will pass 2/3 of the returned votes are "Yes"
- SCUSD is putting together an informative newsletter that
should also arrive on February 7th
- RONA will distribute information via email & website
- RONA will email out a 2-week reminder for returning the
ballots
- RONA will go door-to-door around River Oaks.
- The week of February 7th to 13th.
- RONA to organize this
- Roger will help on training and handouts
- RONA will organize a community meeting, on the 5th-6th,
midday, most likely seating area by Hobee's. Roger may help
getting audio equipment.
- Roger will get RONA a registered voter list so we can target
our door-to-door efforts.
- RONA will put up signage. One sign to announce the community
meeting. One sign to remind people to vote
- Roger to get RONA the proposed draft layout, as well as
other details.
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